In an interview with by Daniel Fairfax with Jean-Louis Comolli, "Yes, we were utopians; in a way, I still am...", Comolli brings up Ford in the his recounting of the conflicts between Cahiers du Cinéma and Cinéthique in the late 60's,
"They distinguished themselves by radically rejecting practically the entire cinema. Personally, I have always been concerned with saving the cinema, including the most ideological films. The idea behind "Young Mr. Lincoln" was to save Hollywood. [...] "We proceeded from the idea that, if forms have a meaning, it could be – and this is the case with the great Hollywood directors – that this meaning is not that of the characters, or the story the film tells. It could be that this meaning comes from the mise en scène, and there, all of a sudden, forms take on a meaning at odds with the énoncés of the film’s logic. In the end, Young Mister Lincoln is particularly striking because it is a film which, if you read it rapidly, tells us of the Lincoln myth, of bourgeois, mercantile America. Everything is there, justice, absolutely everything. But as soon as you dismantle it, as soon as you deconstruct it, you perceive that it is infinitely more perverse than that, and that the filmmaker manages, on the basis of his work, or his own genius, to endanger, and even squarely overturn, the énoncés which are in the film. This can lead to a much more subtle reading, which in the end shows the film as fiercely critical of Lincoln’s position. This is what is interesting: Lincoln is there, like a statue, and at the same time he is something much more problematic, none of his weaknesses are concealed."
In an interview by Toni D'Angela with Tag Gallagher for La Furia Umana, Gallagher speaks about Ford in regards to the structure of his films,
"He made “experimental films” (at least according to Straub and me). Sometimes he experimented more in one direction, sometimes in another. [...] Ford is virtually the only filmmaker in Hollywood between the wars who exposes and denounces racism and the nature of the military, […] more Brecht than Brecht, as Jean-Marie Straub says."Gallagher might be one of Ford's staunchest defender and in his writing he ocasionally brings up Jean-Marie Straub admiration for Ford’s cinema.
In Gallagher’s incredible John Ford: The Man and His Films (University of California Press) he further elaborates on Straub's describtion of Ford as "Brectian" in Footnote #703 (pg.566-567).
Here it is:
Here it is:
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Any effort persisted in becomes corrupt. The sense of duty that sustains
Ford’s individuals (and also their sense of faith) commonly leads them astray
into aberrations or death. Duty-bound, they invade others’ privacy, and
arrogate knowledge of higher good, right and judgment: judges, ministers,
soldiers, outlaws, priests. Thus racism, war or any form of intolerance
becomes a function of society. In tracing Ford’s pictures (particularly Judge
Priest, How Green Was My Valley, This Is Korea!, The Man Who Shot Liberty
Valance) we have seen how people (and governments) act from feeling, not
from logic. People are made of dreams as much as reality. And we have
seen how Ford, in awakening around 1927 to cinema’s ability to be art
through total stylization, awakened simultaneously to his art’s high task: to
help us free ourselves from determining ideologies. Art, after all, has the
capability of making us understand things through emotion that we would be
absolutely incapable of understanding through the intellect. Within a determining
milieu, particularly when that milieu is challenged, free will,
human nature, life’s worth, a benign divinity’s existence, all must necessarily
be posed in question. And so Ford pictures ideally construct in minute detail
a social set of apparent homogeneity (thus often military-like) in order to
analyze that society within its historic moment, and in order to demonstrate
how the garments of society, together with history itself, operate on the
individual. It is for these reasons that Jean-Marie Straub has called Ford the
most ”Brechtian” of all filmmakers.703
703. When Straub made this remark to the author in 1975 (after seeing Pilgrimageand Donovan’s Reef) he was referring not so much to Ford’s acting style —in thatsense no films are truly Brechtian — as to Ford’s manner of stripping naked socialideologies that are elsewhere unacknowledged. To Joseph McBride, Straub said Fordis the most Brechtian of filmmakers, “because he shows things that make peoplethink...by [making] the audience collaborate on the film” (McBride and Wilmington,John Ford, p. 108). McBride analyzes Fort Apache in this light, pointing out howCaptain York donning Colonel Thursday’s hat at the end is a Brechtian device [likethe cardinal donning the Pope’s robes in Brecht’s Galileo], and that we see clearlythat an insane system needs the dedication of noble men to perpetuate itself.) Lesssimply, one might call Ford Brechtian because every element in his cinema isengaged dialectically with every other element (whether one speaks of elements of— or between — style, content, myth, ideology, or whatever), with the result thatFord’s movies are self-reflexive and transparent in their workings.This notion — essentially the thesis of this book — flies violently in the face of arecent [1980] critical tendency to regard the “classical” cinema of Hollywood as amonolithic system that sought to mask its “codes” (e.g., its montage) in order tocreate an apparently unmediated representation of the real world; it sought toentertain passively and left unacknowledged its own governing ideology. (Cf.,Stagecoach: my argument with Browne (“Spectator-in-the-Text”); also Burch,Distant Observer; Robert Phillip Volker, The Altering Eye [New York: Oxford, 1983];Thomas Schatz, Hollywood Genres [New York: Random House, 1981]). “Modernist”(i.e., some post-1960) cinema, on the other hand, subverts our absorption inemotion, story, or character, and exposes its “codes” (e. g., by showing the camera,discordant editing, having an actor speak directly to us), in order to force us to relateintellectually rather than through emotional identification.In these circles, Straub is admired as epitomizing “modernist” cinema, while Fordis often derided (although not by most of the above-named critics) as a sentimentalreactionary. Thus Straub’s comparison of Brecht and Ford caused considerablehead-shaking. It is, of course, generally agreed that many movies cater exclusivelyto an audience’s desire for passive spectacle (e.g.. Star Wars, some of Hitchcock);and all research shows that audiences generally watch movies in order not to think.Nonetheless, the fallacies of “modernist” critics are multitudinous (even includingtheir arrogation of the label “modern”). Firstly, their premise of a monolithicclassical system is a pure fantasy that reveals little sensibility for the complexity ofpre-1960 cinema and almost no acquaintance with the actual films themselves.Secondly, they naively assume that audiences can be forced to think, whereas“modernist” techniques soon lose their initial shock and audiences happily reimmersethemselves into the fictional worlds of even the most determinedlyantipathetic movies. Thirdly, because their basis is exclusively materialist, they, likeGrierson and Aristarco before them, distrust emotions and aestheticism and woulddestroy the art of cinema in favor of a cinema of political propaganda.An examination of Brecht’s 1930 table, in which he gave cursory comparisonbetween the (bad) “dramatic” and the (good, Brechtian) “epic” theaters, will, in thelight of Straub and this book, show Ford very much on the “epic” side — the“modernist”:
Dramatic Theater Epic Theaterplot narrativeimplicates spectator into drama makes spectator an observerwears down his capacity for action arouses his capacity for actionprovides him with sensations forces him to make decisionsprovides experience provides a picture of the worldinvolves the spectator confronts the spectatorsuggestion argumentfeelings are preserved feelings are propelled into perceptionsman is assumed known man is the object of inquiryman unalterable man alterable and alteringsuspense about the outcome suspense about the progresseach scene exists for another each scene for itselflinear development in curvesevolutionary determinism evolutionary leapsthe world, as it is the world, as it becomeswhat man ought to do what man is forced to doman as a fixed point man as a processhis instincts his motivationsthought determines being social being determines thought
Tag Gallagher(Brecht did not intend, obviously, that epic theater be absolutely one way and not atall the other way; it is a question of tendency.)
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